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jamescc
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| Posted on 23-04-2009 01:32 |
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I think its time we talk about the War. We talk about it in other threads to a degree, but we don't talk directly about it. Lets use this thread to talk about it for a minute, air some laundry.
Please Feel Free... to correct me on any of my presumptions here, they may not be 100% correct they are correct they way my char has seen them, but I may have missed something.
The War:
2 sides pretty much for the most part, Malks+ Friends against Ex-Axis/AF+Friends.
The fight is about? Remembrance? Who controls it? Or we just hate each other and thats where we like to fight?
The way I see it from my side(Ex-Axis/AF+Friends) is its the same ol fight with Immos. Immos took over Mega essentially and my side really didnt give a hoot except a few and most moved back to Rem Continent.
However Immos voiced their....intentions "We will Own Rem". So for Me and I think some of my side. Its about."No you wont own Rem" and "No you wont attack us anymore for no other reason then aggression".
Now I know Vashar they use to be friends of mine, I knew about.90% of them as good friends.....bah no more.....they are now on the other side. When in fact some a couple old ones use to fight Malks. Whats even funnier is one of the head Malks was a huge Malk fighter.
So Vashar to me, use to fight Draks etc etc...hell I fought along their side plenty, but now, fight with Malks.. Many of Vashar...correct me if Im wrong enjoyed Vashar and its Neutrality probably why a lot joined and now they are fighting 24/7 not so sure how their enjoying that.
Malks.....to me are just ex-Immos same enemy different name, so when they moved into Revelation to me its to fulfill a plan "We will Own Rem"...
That about Sums it up for me......again Feel Free to correct me..I could be wrong |
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RE: The War |
Ildac
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| Posted on 23-04-2009 02:09 |
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I think it's just combat lovers doing what they love most: Fighting. No rhyme or reason for it but to fight. People can say "oh well so and so did this and that first and that's why we started"-- NO. All of it could have easily been RPed out politically if you REALLY wanted to avoid the huge battles.
Another thing: If you don't want huge amounts of people fighting you, then perhaps you shouldn't be such a huge faction, yourself. Especially a huge faction composed of mostly high-level people who combat-tune their sheets.
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RE: The War |
Jasmine Milner
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| Posted on 23-04-2009 03:20 |
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Ildac wrote:
All of it could have easily been RPed out politically if you REALLY wanted to avoid the huge battles.
just to add a few cents to the discussion;
Vashar tried the diplomatic approach at first, we have streams and streams of Logs of diplomatic missions and offers brokered with the people who attack us,
what went wrong? why didn't the RP work, cause the factions we brokered these deals with broke the IC agreements and attacked us, regaurdless of the deal they ICly signed, i can't remember how many factions now without digging through a tonne of logs,
but the outcome was always the same, no matter how much effort our diplomats put in, the outcome was always a fight, hell, even when we went to one family, to discuss peace, the moment that word was said they tried to kill us....
you can't negotiate or broker peace with combat lovers, it just doesn't work in the long run
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RE: The War |
Ildac
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| Posted on 23-04-2009 03:38 |
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Well Jas, I wasn't saying that on one tried. Maybe I wasn't clear. My point was that both sides are complaining, so at least one side is being hypocrites.
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RE: The War |
Lishathorne
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| Posted on 23-04-2009 03:42 |
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jamescc wrote:
I think its time we talk about the War. We talk about it in other threads to a degree, but we don't talk directly about it. Lets use this thread to talk about it for a minute, air some laundry.
You are apart of a war, yet you do not know what you are fighting for though? Interesting character you play. How does one win this war, what is the plan for victory? What is the goal of the fight and how is it to be achieved? Will this war be won when someone leaves nor or you willing to surrender if you are defeated? Is anyone in Nor ever really willing to surrender or is ego > story. |
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Abe Tristan
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| Posted on 23-04-2009 05:00 |
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Don't call it "war". Is not a war, is a peace-keeping operation.
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Zia Underwood
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| Posted on 23-04-2009 05:04 |
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Lishathorne wrote:
jamescc wrote:
I think its time we talk about the War. We talk about it in other threads to a degree, but we don't talk directly about it. Lets use this thread to talk about it for a minute, air some laundry.
You are apart of a war, yet you do not know what you are fighting for though? Interesting character you play. How does one win this war, what is the plan for victory? What is the goal of the fight and how is it to be achieved? Will this war be won when someone leaves nor or you willing to surrender if you are defeated? Is anyone in Nor ever really willing to surrender or is ego > story.
I went to two leaders in AF and asked these questions in a sit down when I was in Vashar.... I got no definite response. There was no plan for victory and no real goal besides daily beat downs.
Malks are not the Immortals, Asphy was in Vasahr before reforming the Malks.
This is how I saw it happen.... Immortals broke up slowly they started to dwindle than finalyl they were gone, about that time the Malks formed, yes a few Immos joined but most had been Malks previously back when NoR was CCCS. Malks set up shop in Reva the previously unpopulated sim..... thats when the attacks started, as soon as Malks had a base there the war came to the front door even before Inbred had built his land up.... I barly had the Vashar base built and the battles where already coming in full force.
To a point I'm gonna have to agree with Ildac on this one, this war is because AF and friends needed an enemy, that left the two wild cards, Vashar and Malks who had a stance of neutrality and were large enough to pose a challenge. Also close enough to attack easily. This war is a product of necessity to relieve boredom and convenience of location in my opinion. That's not to say that some in Vashar and Malks don't enjoy the attacks, or enjoy running in to attack Rem as well.... but they aren't the ones who started this war.... and they can't end it if there the only ones who try.
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RE: The War |
jai
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| Posted on 23-04-2009 05:31 |
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There are CJ's on both sides and come on you all know it i am one and for reasons of my own i've stopped even giving a hoot about trying to work out any kind of rp whatsoever i'm happy with the way things are and gladly rp whatever comes my way but effort is long gone.
What the leaders on both sides needed was a little patience with each other while their crew broke their promises for them, this went both ways i promise you. While ya'll were having your summit meetings fights were breaking out in the streets breaking your very promises. now how about try it again only this time encourage name taking and handle the miscreants internally and admit for once that oh yeah team A promised this and the intentions were real even though team A's members didn't adhere we are trying to impress upon CJ so and so to behave. cause really when inde or asphy or any of the summit leaders make agreements i'm pretty sure they aren't deciding to lie.
Its kinda hard though for this faction leader to make promises for all the other faction leaders. And if this war ends what do you all suggest us CJ's do with our day? Dance in rem or emote about our hair growing?
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RE: The War |
Naraia Noriega
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| Posted on 23-04-2009 06:05 |
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[15:41] WARPS V0.0.17m - METER: BellaSofia Triellis has been defeated by AF-fighter A!
[15:41] Corbeau Dirval: ...
[15:41] AF-fighter A dances a jig
[15:41] WARPS V0.0.17m - METER: AF-fighter A uses InnerGlow-I on Themselves
[15:41] AF-fighter A: when the rest get here?
[15:41] WARPS V0.0.17m - METER: You may use offense skills again.
[15:42] BellaSofia Triellis gasps as she hits the ground " what do you want organic?"
[15:42] AF-fighter A puts the head set on Cor poperly
[15:42] Corbeau Dirval tries to aim at AF-fighter A
[15:42] WARPS V0.0.17m - METER: AF-fighter A uses Forgive on AF-fighter B.
[15:42] WARPS V0.0.17m - METER: AF-fighter b uses Salience1 on AF-fighter A.
[15:42] WARPS V0.0.17m - METER: AF-fighter A uses Forgive on AF-fighter B.
[15:42] WARPS V0.0.17m - METER: AF-fighter A uses Forgive on AF-fighter B.
[15:42] BellaSofia Triellis lifts herself on her elbows " unable to talk ?"
[15:43] AF-fighter A: (9yeah fine super RP'ers
*with that AF- Fighter A and B leave the area*
[15:43] BellaSofia Triellis: ((?))
you ask what the war is about ....IMO ...that is it ....thats how it works . Dont tell me
now those atacks are ic...dont tell me the war is ic.
Those two AF-Fighters are no noobs, they both are longtime players, older than me even, and leading characters in that war.
This war is about fighting ....thats it ....fine for me ...but stop deying it already.
*edid: AF =synonym for the rem party , or whatever you want to call them
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Abe Tristan
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| Posted on 23-04-2009 06:12 |
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And don't fortget as Vashar is building mass destruction weapons in their base. There're sure proofs and evidence of this.
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Naraia Noriega
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| Posted on 23-04-2009 06:18 |
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Abe Tristan wrote:
And don't fortget as Vashar is building mass destruction weapons in their base. There're sure proofs and evidence of this.
thats acctually a very nice ic reason for that war ...how it comes it never was mentioned ic so that the involved people can work with it. Instead of repeating the same battle over and over?
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Abe Tristan
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| Posted on 23-04-2009 06:19 |
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Oh, and by the way, before this thread degrading in a flame (I see already Zia and Nara working on this, waiting for Kay) I want to say I'm having generally fun in fighting Vashar and Malks. Beside some assholes (I think they're 3-4 on each side and both side we should work on them), they're mostly good players and fun to play conflictual scnarios with them.
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Bellatrix
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| Posted on 23-04-2009 06:19 |
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I dont mind war or fighting...even attacks can be funny...and i dont mind RP'ing defeated if i get some RP back. I dont really care anymore how this whole mess started who did what blah blah and i can imagine peace, as Jai said beeing, kinda dull....because war has always been a big part of NoR. I do however agree with Zia that the Rem crowd needed a new enemy to fight after Immortals became more or less inactive. There is your reason.
All my time in NoR there has been factionwars but i think maybe now it has gotten a little bit frustrating for many. Here is why its frustrating for me. I kinda just gave up on RP'ing with a large amount of my IC enemies not because i dont like them OOC i just rarely get RP back so why bother? There are a few enemies i love RP'ing with tho. It would just be nice in general with some RP containing more than just shouting "PUSSIES!" across sim. As i mentioned attacks can be funny and good action but not every 5 min...
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Abe Tristan
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| Posted on 23-04-2009 06:20 |
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Naraia Noriega wrote:
thats acctually a very nice ic reason for that war ...how it comes it never was mentioned ic so that the involved people can work with it. Instead of repeating the same battle over and over?
It was only a joke nara
IC issues have to be handled IC. not on the forum.
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RE: The War |
jai
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| Posted on 23-04-2009 06:21 |
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I"m not denying anything anymore i'm done done done with the insults for liking to fight for the insults to my friends when they are called liars (both sides cause ooc i happen to have friends on both sides and don't like hearing them belittled or lectured to or accused of not trying to whatever you guys are trying so hard to do) maybe ok lets try this do some backwards rp and create a real good reason for this war with well defined sides then possibly we can have a really good ic reason to rp things that make sense to end it? ya think. like damage control. look around it looks like rem was bombed and everything ruined how about a space invasion that we each think the other guy did but really it was aliens?
ok so one day we all wake up and realize the technology behind it all can only come from the intellegence found in rubicon hen we all go after them guys and start being one huge faction agains those damn wyrdings? cause really they are the ones that contacted the aliens to come here.
honest though if you want the war to have a reason i think thats a cool idea. Then we can build intellegence and cause and purpose and have our warriors all with a goal and work out peace treaties so we don't fight on each others holidays or we take prisoners and abide by that conventions thing. but you know rp'ers its up to you to work out this side of it cause from my perspective i'll just heal and kill all day and be a happy camper.
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Naraia Noriega
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| Posted on 23-04-2009 06:24 |
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Oh, and by the way, before this thread degrading in a flame (I see already Zia and Nara working on this, waiting for Kay)
this was uncalled for ....thank you abe
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Naraia Noriega
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| Posted on 23-04-2009 06:28 |
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Abe Tristan wrote:
Naraia Noriega wrote:
thats acctually a very nice ic reason for that war ...how it comes it never was mentioned ic so that the involved people can work with it. Instead of repeating the same battle over and over?
It was only a joke nara
IC issues have to be handled IC. not on the forum.
dont changes the fact that it would ba a nice ic reason
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Abe Tristan
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| Posted on 23-04-2009 06:35 |
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Naraia Noriega wrote:
dont changes the fact that it would ba a nice ic reason
Shit, you mean you really have that? 
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Bellatrix
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| Posted on 23-04-2009 06:40 |
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*hides a bar of plutonium behind her back and tilts her head trying her best to look innocent* "Ofcourse not!" |
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Naraia Noriega
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| Posted on 23-04-2009 06:43 |
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Abe Tristan wrote:
Naraia Noriega wrote:
dont changes the fact that it would ba a nice ic reason
Shit, you mean you really have that?
*raises a brow* me? in Niten? ....*kicks the door to the secret weapons laboratly closed with her foot* Thought we were talking about Vashar *points to bella*
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